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thomasmck
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Posted: Feb. 28 2010,13:47

Thank you for your reply.

As per your instructions :  My COG value is 00.53   (I have started FSX several times and it remains at 00.53)

One thing may be of interest to you, if I leave the program running for a few minutes with the 206 doing its bizarre flight pattern, it calms downs and I can regain enough control to have a reasonable flight.
But if I fly below aprox 50ft I start lose all control and she returns to uncontrolled and bizarre flight pattern. If I try and land she crashes and than starts to race along the ground travelling a long way. Upon trying to re take off and just before lift off she always turns inverted to the right.

I have re download   FSUIP C4 ver: 4.5.7.0. and re installed. (Same issue)

I have checked the version in the modules folder and it is Ver 4.57

At present having problems with sending email.  

I also have to go now  (Sunday family get togethers)

Once again thank you.
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Posted: Feb. 28 2010,19:32

Fred, I would say that I have most of my flights with HTR working quite well.  At least 90-95%.
But, I want to add I have had some similar circumstances like Thomas.
Just some observations I have noted over the past week.
I am running FSUIPC 4.57 as well on FSX.

One flight with the R-22 I started, and it was totally out of control.
Next was fine, but it kept going in and out of Retreating Blade stall, rather rhythmically.
Conditions should not have been causing RBS.

I had one instance where the EH-101 was sitting on the ground at idle.  I watched, still at idle, as it slowly began to shift around on the landing gear.
It continued to build and build until it was fully compressing the struts on the gear, damaged its gear, and then rolled over on it's back and crashed.
It really was almost like you may have seen in videos of helicopters experiencing ground resonance.

I have had an instance where the Bell 206 was sitting on the ground at idle, and it was going in and out of Vortex Ring State about as fast as you could snap your fingers.

With the Bell 206, I have had times where I am at a hover, and it seems to start developing an excessive pendulum action, that sometimes is hard to correct.
Again, it seems to build up over time.
Most times it hovers fine.

I have also observed on my system where for all of the helicopters, they start to 'wobble' for lack of a better term.
Almost like a spinning top when it starts to lose momentum.
Its a very, very, slowly building process.  Usually occurs in level flight over a long period of time (few minutes).
It is easily correctable but I thought I would mention that.

One thing on my system I noticed, when I set the updates per second higher, it seemed to smooth things out much better.

I just want to pass this info along in the hopes it will help you.

Now, with all that noted. Please don't get me wrong, folks.
Not bashing here.
I love HTR, Fred!  I am already at the point I don't want to fly any helicopter in FSX without it!
A big heartfelt thanks to you Mr. Naar for all of the hard work and time you have obviously spent on this superior add-on!
It's truly something special for the helicopter sim community!
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Posted: Feb. 28 2010,23:27

Would it be possible that it is all related to frame rate going bazurk specialy if you have your setting at unlimited. If you set your FSPS at unlimited it will go from 100 to 18 to 67 to32 to .....in fractions of seconds.Just a wild guess here .......would it have any affect on HTR.
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Leorstef
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Posted: Mar. 01 2010,03:51

Quote (hyfly @ Feb. 28 2010,23:27)
Would it be possible that it is all related to frame rate going bazurk specialy if you have your setting at unlimited. If you set your FSPS at unlimited it will go from 100 to 18 to 67 to32 to .....in fractions of seconds.Just a wild guess here .......would it have any affect on HTR.
Jean

Me? Nope.
Mine is locked at 25.  Sorry.

Sundog's recommendation has actually worked out the the best for me this weekend.
You sometimes forget all the stuff you run in the background after a while. :p

With a real weather program, a force feedback program, and a controller profiler running in the background, I have found it works much better to just let FSX load up first.
Then I let the weather program finish updating for about a minute, before starting HTR up.
Maybe its competing for "simconnect bandwidth" or something...  :D
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Posted: Mar. 01 2010,06:58

Thanks for all the feedback.

I am not at home now so I have limited internet access, I currently run 4.53, I'll try to upgrade to 4.57 to see if it is a version issue.

Also I plan to issue a minor HTR release (1.02) this coming weekend.  This release won't change much, except I have added a much deeper debugging function so you will be able to send me a debug file and I should be able to test it on my PC as you experienced it (cool eh?)

I am asking you to help me on debugging. If the strange behaviours appear and you restart FSX and HTR, do they appear again or are they gone?

I suspect a communication channel conflict or something...
 
As long as when to start HTR: the flight does not need to be loaded, but FSX should be running otherwise you get a message and it self disables.

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sundog
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Posted: Mar. 02 2010,01:04

OK, here is my Cera 412EP dynamics .cfg....  it's not perfect, but its much better than default, and I am going to tweak it further to get the most I can out of it!

I would like to hear comments/feedback, especially from somebody with any time flying or riding in one of these birds...I'm basing my .cfg on my experiences flying the Dodosim!

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharek....21448c9


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Posted: Mar. 02 2010,01:05

Really great work. I used the application on the weekend and I enjoy it very much.

By the way, I am doing a config for CERA Bell 212, is anyone doing it too? Does anyone knows the rotors RPM for the 212?

Best regards.


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sundog
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Posted: Mar. 02 2010,02:31

I'm not sure about the 212, and a quick search on the Bell website didn't turn anything up either...you may want to do a proper internet search for old UH-1N manuals.
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Posted: Mar. 02 2010,04:35

I don't have a "modules" directory in my FSX (I've got one in my FS2004.  I have an "xuipc.dll" in FSX but no fsuipc.dll  ???

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Posted: Mar. 02 2010,17:37

Quote (nmaggie @ Mar. 02 2010,06:35)
I don't have a "modules" directory in my FSX (I've got one in my FS2004.  I have an "xuipc.dll" in FSX but no fsuipc.dll  ???

The modules directory is created by FSUIPC when you install it. This means FSUIPC is not installed on your system.

Hope this helps
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frednaar
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Posted: Mar. 02 2010,17:41

Quote (Focha @ Mar. 02 2010,03:05)
Really great work. I used the application on the weekend and I enjoy it very much.

By the way, I am doing a config for CERA Bell 212, is anyone doing it too? Does anyone knows the rotors RPM for the 212?

Best regards.

From the Cera Manual it should be:
MAIN ROTOR
diameter 48 feet
chord 23.38 inches
324 RPM

TAIL ROTOR
diameter 8.6 feet
chord 11,5 inches
RPM 1660

Great you are doing this configuration, let me know when you release it!

Bye

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Posted: Mar. 02 2010,23:59

Thanks Fred, I am not near the sim PC to consult the manual although I found a UH-1N spec sheet, the only number that differs from the CERA manual is the tail rotor RPM by 4+ RPM.

Thanks for posting it will help.

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Posted: Mar. 03 2010,02:29

Thanks Fred.  The only available version of FSUIPC I could find for download is 4.57 (not 4.53).  Reading this thread, it sounds like some folks may be having problems with 4.57.  Any news?

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Posted: Mar. 03 2010,06:48

Quote (nmaggie @ Mar. 03 2010,04:29)
Thanks Fred.  The only available version of FSUIPC I could find for download is 4.57 (not 4.53).  Reading this thread, it sounds like some folks may be having problems with 4.57.  Any news?

Yes
HTR should be working fine with 4.57, many people are using it.
I will test It thoughrougly next weekend and also release a more complete debugger so I can see what you see.

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Posted: Mar. 03 2010,12:35

I have two requests for this amazing software, would there be a way to incorporate random failures instead of always having to just select one?  Also is there a way to prevent two of the programs to open?  For some reason sometimes I click on it and it doesnt seems like it will load, so I click again and maybe even once more, then all three pop up.  Its not a big deal, just thought I would ask.  Thanks.  Still loving this though, thanks again.
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Posted: Mar. 03 2010,22:19

Quote (19dcavscout @ Mar. 03 2010,14:35)
I have two requests for this amazing software, would there be a way to incorporate random failures instead of always having to just select one?  Also is there a way to prevent two of the programs to open?  For some reason sometimes I click on it and it doesnt seems like it will load, so I click again and maybe even once more, then all three pop up.  Its not a big deal, just thought I would ask.  Thanks.  Still loving this though, thanks again.

Hi,
Good suggestions I will add them to the next minor release

I'll do a random failure at a random time between 30 to 180 seconds, sounds ok ?

Also the application already running will give you an error...

I checked the software tonight either on the last version of FSUIPC4 for FSX (4.60) and of FS9 (3.98).

FSX is running with no problems (I tried on 2 different PC's one with Windows 7 the other with Windows XP)

FS9 I found a minor error, the directory should be placed under FS9 and named "htr" and not "HTR" to recognize the helicopters (I will fix it in the next minor release)

Also in FS9 the pitch roll and yaw velocities are very much damped in respect of FSX, probably because of some conflicting instructions. As I will support mainly FSX I suggest to FS9 users to adjust configurations by halving the moments of inertia and doubling the maxcyclic values to have a similar experience as in FSX..

Bye
Fred


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Posted: Mar. 03 2010,23:22

So - just what will HTR do, make flying harder or easier for the average Joystick / Foot Pedal user ?

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Quote (gorlosky @ Mar. 03 2010,23:22)
So - just what will HTR do, make flying harder or easier for the average Joystick / Foot Pedal user ?

Gorlosky:  HTR will make the aircraft handle more realistically...It adds a few helicopter dynamics that FSX does not have by default.  Every helicopter must have a .cfg file tuned specifically to that helicopter, and the HTR program (created by the brilliant Fred Naar) will take the info in that profile and apply it to the flight dynamics of the aircraft.

Example: In default FSX, one could pull pitch and lift the bird off the ground with no footpedal input....

In HTR, with a properly tuned profile, the user must use footpedal input while lifting off to maintain heading; just like in a real whirlybird.

I bought the Cera Bell 412 when it was released, and flew it for maybe 1/2 hour.  Now with HTR, I am actually putting hours into the aircraft......so I guess HTR makes flying easier for me!!!!!
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Posted: Mar. 04 2010,02:10

That random generator would be great, thanks.  Mine allows more than one to come up.  Maybe its a Windows 7 thing.
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Posted: Mar. 04 2010,19:32

Hi Fred

Further to my earlier post regarding uncontrolled and bizarre fight patterns.

Well tonight after loading FSX with HTR & the Bell 206. (No such problems) She placed herself firmly on the runway and as I increased the collective she eased herself into the air.

I made several landings / take offs under full control. I have no idea why today she fly’s without the problems I had earlier this week. I have made no changes to my setup.
 
What a major difference from the default 206.

Thank you very much for giving us flight simmers this wonderful program.
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