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bladeheli01
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Posted: Feb. 22 2010,15:25

Hi,

Thanks for that, I had just re-installed FSX and forgot to re-install the latest FSUIPC. Thats working now!

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Posted: Feb. 22 2010,15:51

I'm not getting good results with this at all.  :(

Most of the time I get an instant take off and some wobbly flying before crashing. The take off happens without any collective and without running engine.... The aircraft responds slightly to controller input, but doesn't seems to be subject to any physical laws. I can do multiple rollovers and stuff like that.

Other times the heli is stuck halfway into the tarmac or rolled over as soon as fsx loads. Also without running engines.

And some times the heli has momentum forwards untill it crashes or I use the collective to take off.

Very rarily while starting will the helicopter stand still, but it will respond to the collective and jump into the air without starting the engines first.

All this happens with the the three FSX helicopters.  :(

What's going on? I've got the payed version of FSUIPC btw.


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Posted: Feb. 22 2010,16:41

Quote (Wildbird109 @ Feb. 22 2010,15:51)
I'm not getting good results with this at all.  :(

Most of the time I get an instant take off and some wobbly flying before crashing. The take off happens without any collective and without running engine.... The aircraft responds slightly to controller input, but doesn't seems to be subject to any physical laws. I can do multiple rollovers and stuff like that.

Other times the heli is stuck halfway into the tarmac or rolled over as soon as fsx loads. Also without running engines.

And some times the heli has momentum forwards untill it crashes or I use the collective to take off.

Very rarily while starting will the helicopter stand still, but it will respond to the collective and jump into the air without starting the engines first.

All this happens with the the three FSX helicopters.  :(

What's going on? I've got the payed version of FSUIPC btw.

I am sorry about that,

Is it the last version of fsuipc anyway ? it should be 4.53
you can check the version under the \modules directory of FSX and clicking on properties for the file FSUIPC4.DLL

did you do the bell jetranger test above?

Most likely it's an FSUIPC issue, as from the last to previous versions PeteDowson changed the center of gravity parameter and it can lead to a behaviour like you described.


Also try put the parameter meanAerodynamicChord=0 in the bell configuration to see if it then flies correct even with your current configuration.

Hope this helps
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Posted: Feb. 22 2010,16:45

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How would/does this effect the Dodosim helicopter?

HTR installation should do nothing to Dodosim, I am not changing any inside files within FSX, just using FSUIPC and as long as FSUIPC does nothing to Dodosim, HTR will not do anything too.

I don't know though running them together, meaning on dodo helicopter, it probably wont fly right as we might be giving conflicting commands.

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Posted: Feb. 22 2010,18:08

Well ive only had good results and are now building my own profiles for some helicopters that havent flown well in X from a port over ,the BK117 is  one on the list ,i just gotta understand a little more on what im changing ,the read me is slowly making me understand cheers ..
i ported over the  hd as350b3 and then accessed the  as350ba profile you made ,great with this aircraft in X ..

i used to be able to fly like a pro ,youve made me a amateur again cheers   :D
im really enjoying it and will focus on learning the changes needed to make other profiles ..

10 outta 10
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Posted: Feb. 22 2010,20:14

Quote (frednaar @ Feb. 22 2010,14:45)
Quote (srm @ Feb. 21 2010,23:21)
How would/does this effect the Dodosim helicopter?

I don't know though running them together, meaning on dodo helicopter, it probably wont fly right as we might be giving conflicting commands.

Can you select when to run it and when not to?  IE, can I install it and use it with FSX B206 but not have it used with the DODO?

How would one do this?


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Posted: Feb. 22 2010,20:44

If the HTR interferes with the control axes in FSX then yes, it's likely to conflict with the Dodo.

What you might want to do in a future HTR release is to add "excludes" to the config file and allow the user to add the names of models to exclude from its functionality, i.e. if the user put Dodosim in the list then it would stop the HTR from performing any processing if it could retrieve the name of the currently loaded aircraft via FSUIPC when a new aircraft/flight is loaded.

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Posted: Feb. 22 2010,21:14

Yes you can run it with or without ,its just a third party window to activate or just dont start it up at all and everything is normal ,very simple program to use ,ezyier  than adding a repaint ...

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Posted: Feb. 22 2010,21:37

I am using the Area 51 Kiowa.  Beautiful 3d model, ok virtual cockpit and the flight physics, well they just arent that great.  As for all the questions with the Dodo, if you dont have HTR running, it wont affect the bird in anyway. I flied last night and it worked fine, but I wasnt using HTR when flying the DODO.  I hope that answers some questions.
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Posted: Feb. 23 2010,00:46

I have moved the HTR utility to the utilities section of the file library.  It had accidentally been placed in the scenery development - utilities section.   The link in the OP should correct itself after a bit.

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Posted: Feb. 23 2010,00:55

Quote (srm @ Feb. 22 2010,20:14)
Can you select when to run it and when not to?  IE, can I install it and use it with FSX B206 but not have it used with the DODO?

How would one do this?

Yeah, it's like Heliforce. It only has an effect on FS when you run the shortcut. It doesn't really install into FS, it is a separate application you have to run along side FS. So, if you don't want to use it at any time for any reason, you can simply close the program, and be on your way.

So, it won't mess up your Dodosim 206, as long as you don't run the program along side FS when you are flying the Dodo Jetranger. It's very similar to Heliforce, if you've ever used that.

As natas said, it's a very easy program to use.


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Posted: Feb. 23 2010,05:16

Quote (srm @ Feb. 22 2010,20:14)
Can you select when to run it and when not to?  IE, can I install it and use it with FSX B206 but not have it used with the DODO?

How would one do this?

HTR automatically disables itself when it doesn't find a proper configuration either in its own directory or in the aircraft/rotorcraft directory (see manual) this allows you to switch helicopters without even thinking about HTR.

So if you load a dodosim helicopter and HTR is running, it wont interfere as long as you don't have created a profile for Dodosim specifically (HTR looks at the sim parameter in the aricraft.cfg or sim.cfg)

Another option is to unflag the Enable HTR checkbox in the main window.

A third option is obviously to close the application.

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Fred
P.S. Jordan thanks for moving my files, I always get lost in the upload section...


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Posted: Feb. 23 2010,07:50

Mine works well with the FSUIPC I downloaded yesterday, and have flown the dodosim since, without running HTR and I didnt notice any changes

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Posted: Feb. 25 2010,14:25

Really nice news. I'll try it ASAP. As anyone have a Bell 212 config for CERA?

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Posted: Feb. 25 2010,15:42

Quote (Focha @ Feb. 25 2010,14:25)
Really nice news. I'll try it ASAP. As anyone have a Bell 212 config for CERA?

Regards.

I am working on it together with R44, give me a couple of weeks (I am away for a few days..). I am also fixing the EH 101 of the release because it's not OK.

Maybe I am biased but it changed my way to fly, so I am trying to change all my favourite helicopters one at a time... :)


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Posted: Feb. 27 2010,17:25

Wow, this is great...

I started a Cera Bell 412 profile a couple hours ago, and I'm just about done input data.  I'm using your method of printing the pictures and measuring to scale...(got the spec sheet and dimensions from the Bell website)...anyway, input my data by measuring in mm's, and ended up the calculated empty weight in the spreadsheet was only 140 kgs off the official Bell spec sheet!!!   Amazing!  I cant wait to start testing the flight of this baby!

Thanks again, Fred...this is awesome fun!
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Posted: Feb. 27 2010,18:13

Thanks for this great program. It's fantastic! I've been flying in FSX+HTR last few days, and I can do a stable hover in EH-101 now :)

Now I have two favourite helicopter simulators, DCS and FSX+HTR :)

I'd love to see a support for tandem rotor helicopters in the future - I'm thinking about Piasecki H21-C for FSX, one of my favourite helicopters in FSX.


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Posted: Feb. 27 2010,19:03

First let me congratulate you on a new way of thinking for helicopter flight.

Flight simmers have been posting positive reviews, and you are keen to improve your creation.

Unfortunately I have not had a good experience. It may be my setup / joystick or lots of different reasons.

When I start a flight with any of the default helis (With no import from me and joystick control centre and throttle down) they either race along the ground like a speeding car / take off in a uncontrolled and bizarre fight pattern / take off and turn inverted.

I have downloaded FSUIP C4 ver: 4.5.7.0.

My system
FSX Acceleration (No addons currently installed)
Logitech 3D pro Joystick

I have been flying MS flight sim helicopters from when they first became available.  

As I said at the beginning people are posting very positive experiences and it may be a few like me are having setup issues. I may have to wait for a future updated version.

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Posted: Feb. 27 2010,23:53

You have to have the heli fully running and the flight loaded before starting HTR...

..at least that's the way it is on my system.
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When I start a flight with any of the default helis (With no import from me and joystick control centre and throttle down) they either race along the ground like a speeding car / take off in a uncontrolled and bizarre fight pattern / take off and turn inverted.

Hi,
The error you describelooks like an FSUIPC version issue. I will release a new version in the next weeks that checks the FSUIPC version before running the program.
Could you please do those checks let me know on this post:

1. Launch FSX a flight with Bell 206
2. Launch HTR and click on the air data tab
3. Unpause FSX until the air data tab fills with data
4. Pause FSX and read the COG value on the bottom of the page

If the COG value is something like 0,47 or 0,53 its ok. If it reads as an integer like 47 or 57 it is an FSUIPC version issue


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I have downloaded FSUIP C4 ver: 4.5.7.0.

Please check the version of the FSUIPC by clicking on properties of the fsuipc4.DLL file under the modules section maybe the install did not go through properly.
if the version reads 4.57 please send me the FSUIPC4.DLL at my email as I willl have to contact Peter Dowson to see if there'b been a change in this version that affects HTR

Thanks , let me know
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if you read version 4.57 on the


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